Tuesday, December 09, 2008

"AUgusteen" or "A-GUST-in?"

For centuries scholars have been trying to figure how the great Bishop of Hippo's name should correctly be pronounced. I, of course, pronounce it the correct way: "AUgusteen," with the accent on the first syllable and a long "e" sound at the end of the name. Several of my colleagues on the theology side of the aisle insist that the correct pronunciation should be "A-GUST-in" with the accent on the second syllable and the last syllable pronounced as the word "in."

I remember a professor in seminary that used to pronounce the name the way my theology colleagues pronounce it and then he would add, "or "AU-gus-teen" for those who are intellectually challenged!" (I'm not sure those were the exact words but it was something to that effect). With a professor that insistent on a particular pronunciation, I wonder why I chose the alternative, although I could have been in the category he described who used the "AU-gus-teen" pronunciation.

On my final exam in my Reformation class last week, I decided to put my students to the test. An identification question on the test read: "The Correct Pronunciation of the name “Augustine.” The students were then required to explain to me the correct way to pronounce the name. Interestingly, not a single student disagreed with my pronunciation!

I also decided to consult my dissertation advisor, Dr. Bill Pitts, of Baylor University because I figured that he would surely know the right pronunciation. He also agreed with me. He indicated that: (1) the most practical reason for the accent being on the first syllable of the name is to prevent confusion with the "Augustan" age of Roman literature, the era of Emperor Augustus Caesar when the finest of Roman literature flourished; and (2) during the 18th century in England the best writers modeled themselves after the "Augustan" writers in classical antiquity. Consequently, the 18th century is called the "Augustan" period in English Literature. So, Dr. Pitts concludes: "unless one is willing to ignore a huge branch of humanities—namely, literature—it is best to reserve that pronunciation for these two eras of enormously productive literature while using the traditional pronunciation for our most influential theologian."

That settles it for me! I shared all that with my theologian friends and even that won't convince them. I'm open for suggestions!

16 Comments:

Blogger jr said...

Hmm...if Augustine is derived from Augustinus...intuitively Augustinus seems like it would be au-gus-TINE-us but my Latin grammar, if my rusty memory serves correctly, seems to indicate that letter i is usually either short [as in hit] or long [as in heed]. The question is, on which syl-LA-ble should the em-PHA-sis be placed, as my undergrad Greek prof used to say. :-D

10:54 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Perhaps your preference could be related to the similarity of sound with another talented "steen"? ;)

Have a great day!

Laura

10:25 AM

 
Blogger Glenn Jonas said...

Anonymous:
Both are great theologians!

11:41 AM

 
Blogger Rayman said...

I say AuGUStine BECAUSE it's more common. With your things about the "Augustan" period, that actually would reaffirm my pronunciation. It seemed like your dissertation advisor was saying "let's just go ahead and pronounce it wrong to differentiate." I have never been in a conversation with anyone that confused me saying "AuGUStine" with "Augustan."

12:29 PM

 
Blogger Chad Reed said...

did you ever discussed this issue with dr. harmon? he prefers the other pronunciation, but i don't know his reasoning.

10:30 AM

 
Blogger Glenn Jonas said...

Hey Chad. I discussed the issue quite frequently with Dr. Harmon and I was always amazed that as smart as he was, he refused to recognize the correct pronunciation of Augustine's name!

7:08 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think the only ready they pronounce it the other way is because it sounds more intellectual and prestigious to them. I always heard it as "AUGusteen" at both colleges I went to. There will never be an end to this madness! :) I miss you Dr. J!
Andrea

9:32 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i believe youre mistaken.

though i always liked the sound of "awgusteen" better, im afraid it isnt the correct pronunciation for the church saint.

saint "awgusteen" is a city in florida; saint "a-gust-in" was a church forefather.

true, the former was originally named for the latter, but the pronunciation differs.

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Anonymous Sildenafil said...

I have never been in a conversation with anyone that confused me saying "AuGUStine" with "Augustan."

1:22 PM

 
Anonymous Viagra said...

I think that is Augusteen because sounds more clear, but i had never use this word,so, i cannot give a better opinion.

5:15 PM

 
Blogger mbs said...

No one who attended Catholic schools could EVER pronounce the saint as AuguSTEEN for we know that's the city, or so declared every sister and priest we had in class. AugusTEEN makes us cringe and even wince aloud. And snap the correct "AuGUSTin" at the speaker as I did at an English department meeting today when we discussed teaching St. AuGUSTin's Confessions. Such a reaction's a reflex, so watch out all you STEENers. We GUSTers are ubiquitous!

6:16 PM

 
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6:16 PM

 
Blogger Unknown said...

Dear Doctor,
I enjoyed your post. Here is a little thought.
If you were going for the correct pronunciation. The shortened or Anglicized name derived from the original Latin Augustinus, (Aw-gus-TEEN-us) would be A-gus-TEEN as both Spanish and Italian linguistic derivatives of Latin would concur.

http://www.pronouncenames.com/pronounce/augustinus

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3:27 PM

 

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